Mr. Brown
05-14 02:18 PM
Well ... I could partially agree to your rant. While I understand your point of view it is not justified on your part to generalize all posters into one category. You should have been more specific about what kind of posts (and even posters if you wish) frustrate you.
In my view your words "Get a life" certainly applies to the following set of people (in that particular order):
Those who say they are awaiting their GC to plan their lives (get married, have kids, buy a house etc.) I am married with a kid and bought a house and all I have is a I-140 approval (Not applied for I-485 yet). So what happens if I loose my job? I will make an honest effort to find one and if I fail I'll sell my house and go back to India. I am prepared both mentally and somewhat financially too. As much as I want to live in the USA it is common sense that I always have a solid back up plan to go back if need be.
Those who come here whining about their I-485 getting rejected and don't have a back up plan. Seriously, how many times must you get jacked before you realize that USCIS is not dependable? How the heck can one plan their life around it? One must realize that GC is just a small part of your life and not your life itself. Get your priorities straight.
Those who say that laws are racist. Hilarious! BTW racism is not one way (like the Whites out here want you to think) so beware of what you say unless you don't mind getting sued.
Those who build up their hopes with predictions on the next visa bulletin and go emotionally crazy when the hopes crash with the release of that bulletin. I mean c'mon ... flower campaigns? hunger strikes? Are you that naive to think it worked the first time? This ain't a factory in India and we aren't a group of union workers.
The above form a very small group of people on this website and that is where the problem lies with your post. You are basically stereotyping all of us into a category formed by a small group of people.
Anyway, good to know of your Canadian PR success ... good luck!
To those who fall in the above 4 categories take the time to realize that its all in your head. Be strong and prepared mentally. You've done all you can in an honest way. If things don't work out then so be it. Sometime in the future you will realize that it was all for your own good. Move on in style to your next adventure ... it's waiting for you.
This might come as a surprise to some of you, but someone needs to say it out loud. GET A LIFE FOLKS!!!! there is more to life then EB, GC and all. it seem all we desi's can think of is how to get a green card so we can live here with peace and never have to worry bout getting laid off or anything.
Few points:
1) having gc is a privilege not a right.
2) US has every right to choose whom they want to have in their country.
3) If getting PR or citizenship of a western country is the goal there are many countries which have a fair point based system.
4) Considering the number of fraud's committed by Indian body shoppers and people who use them, i am not surprised USCIS is extra careful when it comes to Indian applications. Anyone who got his wife with no exp with software dev an h1b visa from some cheat in Jersey knows what i am talking bout . My freind got his wife an H1 after showing she knew software testing even though her major was fine arts and all she was good at was web surfing :)
5) have a back up. i came here in 2001 as student and have seen it all. I am on h1b since 2004. i knew we have too many people whose sole aim in life is a American GC. to avoid becoming one of those who check processing dates first thing in morning, i applied for Canadian PR, got it in 8 months and i am not even gonna bother applying for labor, i-140 and all those precious life controlling documents.
Wake up friends, you have options. Don't let your life depend on you application status.
Nitin
In my view your words "Get a life" certainly applies to the following set of people (in that particular order):
Those who say they are awaiting their GC to plan their lives (get married, have kids, buy a house etc.) I am married with a kid and bought a house and all I have is a I-140 approval (Not applied for I-485 yet). So what happens if I loose my job? I will make an honest effort to find one and if I fail I'll sell my house and go back to India. I am prepared both mentally and somewhat financially too. As much as I want to live in the USA it is common sense that I always have a solid back up plan to go back if need be.
Those who come here whining about their I-485 getting rejected and don't have a back up plan. Seriously, how many times must you get jacked before you realize that USCIS is not dependable? How the heck can one plan their life around it? One must realize that GC is just a small part of your life and not your life itself. Get your priorities straight.
Those who say that laws are racist. Hilarious! BTW racism is not one way (like the Whites out here want you to think) so beware of what you say unless you don't mind getting sued.
Those who build up their hopes with predictions on the next visa bulletin and go emotionally crazy when the hopes crash with the release of that bulletin. I mean c'mon ... flower campaigns? hunger strikes? Are you that naive to think it worked the first time? This ain't a factory in India and we aren't a group of union workers.
The above form a very small group of people on this website and that is where the problem lies with your post. You are basically stereotyping all of us into a category formed by a small group of people.
Anyway, good to know of your Canadian PR success ... good luck!
To those who fall in the above 4 categories take the time to realize that its all in your head. Be strong and prepared mentally. You've done all you can in an honest way. If things don't work out then so be it. Sometime in the future you will realize that it was all for your own good. Move on in style to your next adventure ... it's waiting for you.
This might come as a surprise to some of you, but someone needs to say it out loud. GET A LIFE FOLKS!!!! there is more to life then EB, GC and all. it seem all we desi's can think of is how to get a green card so we can live here with peace and never have to worry bout getting laid off or anything.
Few points:
1) having gc is a privilege not a right.
2) US has every right to choose whom they want to have in their country.
3) If getting PR or citizenship of a western country is the goal there are many countries which have a fair point based system.
4) Considering the number of fraud's committed by Indian body shoppers and people who use them, i am not surprised USCIS is extra careful when it comes to Indian applications. Anyone who got his wife with no exp with software dev an h1b visa from some cheat in Jersey knows what i am talking bout . My freind got his wife an H1 after showing she knew software testing even though her major was fine arts and all she was good at was web surfing :)
5) have a back up. i came here in 2001 as student and have seen it all. I am on h1b since 2004. i knew we have too many people whose sole aim in life is a American GC. to avoid becoming one of those who check processing dates first thing in morning, i applied for Canadian PR, got it in 8 months and i am not even gonna bother applying for labor, i-140 and all those precious life controlling documents.
Wake up friends, you have options. Don't let your life depend on you application status.
Nitin
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Rajeev
01-31 01:29 PM
Questions have moved to 4 and 13 now.
easygoer
08-25 12:51 PM
ICICI is good at advertising false figures (with our money of course) and SBI is little delayed in updating their websites - does that solves the equation :)
SBI rate is 43.21 for $4001 but i'm sure that's not latest because the website is not updated hour by hour ( like ICICI/R2i/C2i at least do for AD) but I've seen honesty in SBI's dealings when they actually convert $ to Rs. Even if the website shows lower rates they converted my money with higher rates because the market rate was higher during conversion.
I would trust SBI more than ICICI for customer friendly charges. As far as efficiency concern, ICICI may be better. As a merchant banker in India I have dealt with both of them during 90's.
SBI rate is 43.21 for $4001 but i'm sure that's not latest because the website is not updated hour by hour ( like ICICI/R2i/C2i at least do for AD) but I've seen honesty in SBI's dealings when they actually convert $ to Rs. Even if the website shows lower rates they converted my money with higher rates because the market rate was higher during conversion.
I would trust SBI more than ICICI for customer friendly charges. As far as efficiency concern, ICICI may be better. As a merchant banker in India I have dealt with both of them during 90's.
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punjabi77
08-11 12:09 PM
EB3I- PD Sep-2006
EAD stuck in name check :-(
EAD stuck in name check :-(
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06-14 05:41 PM
good job!
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ElectricGrandpa
06-12 09:13 AM
Very neat. I like your black screen and nifty scrollwheel as well. I'm not sure if you're allowed to change them, but either way they look neat.
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meridiani.planum
05-26 04:11 AM
This link looks to be from the HR. Menendez bill is in the senate. The text of the bill is not available at this time.
http://www.thomas.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/D?d111:17:./temp/~bdgY3q::|/bss/|
Have to watch this one carefully. Kennedy (one of the co-sponsors of this bill) had thrown EB immigrants under the bus last year while favoring FB and illegals (in CIR). Need to be see the contents of this bill very carefully. Esp this clause from the AILA report:
"Addressing the decades-long backlogs for certain countries by raising the per-country immigration limits from 7 percent to 10 percent of total admission".
The CIR in 2007 had a similar clause, bumping up the country-limit from 7% to 10%, BUT it had another related clause that stopped rollover of visa's in the last quarter.
That would be disastrous for people from India and China as number of visas issued for the whole year will go DOWN!!
The recapture clause sounds promising , provided there is atleast an even split between EB and FB (of EB coming before FB). If they do it the other way around (like they had done in the last recapture for schedule-A nurses) then EB people will see no benefit of the recapture, and will end up losing one more quick-fix option.
Eagerly waiting for the bill text so the dissection and analysis can begin!!
http://www.thomas.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/D?d111:17:./temp/~bdgY3q::|/bss/|
Have to watch this one carefully. Kennedy (one of the co-sponsors of this bill) had thrown EB immigrants under the bus last year while favoring FB and illegals (in CIR). Need to be see the contents of this bill very carefully. Esp this clause from the AILA report:
"Addressing the decades-long backlogs for certain countries by raising the per-country immigration limits from 7 percent to 10 percent of total admission".
The CIR in 2007 had a similar clause, bumping up the country-limit from 7% to 10%, BUT it had another related clause that stopped rollover of visa's in the last quarter.
That would be disastrous for people from India and China as number of visas issued for the whole year will go DOWN!!
The recapture clause sounds promising , provided there is atleast an even split between EB and FB (of EB coming before FB). If they do it the other way around (like they had done in the last recapture for schedule-A nurses) then EB people will see no benefit of the recapture, and will end up losing one more quick-fix option.
Eagerly waiting for the bill text so the dissection and analysis can begin!!
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harikris
05-14 05:13 PM
A very sensible post. You dont need to have ur life around the GC and Priority dates. You need to do what u want to as much as within ur limits.. But one thing is USCIS can be staright forward and say EB-I wont move for such and such time and people can still plan better... :)
I agree. On an average, it seems, one spends just about 6 yrs to get his/her GC. That's nearly 20% of our productive "employment" life. At some point in the process, one starts to wonder if he/she can lay their roots in this country.
It is not an easy or trivial task to "just move on" and pursue plan B or plan C.
With passage of time, the priorities and the drive of people change.
So, the immigration system should be quick and transparent.
If you notice in daily life, there is always a "good-faith" disclosure of terms and conditions before signing up for anything. And both parties strive to keep their end of the deal.
That's all we are really asking from the SYSTEM - "If you are willing to open the gates for immigrants, please process their applications to the best extent possible and don't hold up our lives"
What is missing in this system is "empathy". Rules are fine and we also understand the over-subscription in certain categories. But at the end of day, the controlling or executive authorities have to show some empathy to those that are left hanging. Rules are made to help people and they should not become an excuse to punish [PR process delayed is justice denied, truly] the common folks instead.
President Obama has stated he would like have an empathetic judge on the supreme court. Likewise, we need someone heading the immigration system that empathizes with the lives of prospective PR lot.
What can we do to seek such a leader or change?
I agree. On an average, it seems, one spends just about 6 yrs to get his/her GC. That's nearly 20% of our productive "employment" life. At some point in the process, one starts to wonder if he/she can lay their roots in this country.
It is not an easy or trivial task to "just move on" and pursue plan B or plan C.
With passage of time, the priorities and the drive of people change.
So, the immigration system should be quick and transparent.
If you notice in daily life, there is always a "good-faith" disclosure of terms and conditions before signing up for anything. And both parties strive to keep their end of the deal.
That's all we are really asking from the SYSTEM - "If you are willing to open the gates for immigrants, please process their applications to the best extent possible and don't hold up our lives"
What is missing in this system is "empathy". Rules are fine and we also understand the over-subscription in certain categories. But at the end of day, the controlling or executive authorities have to show some empathy to those that are left hanging. Rules are made to help people and they should not become an excuse to punish [PR process delayed is justice denied, truly] the common folks instead.
President Obama has stated he would like have an empathetic judge on the supreme court. Likewise, we need someone heading the immigration system that empathizes with the lives of prospective PR lot.
What can we do to seek such a leader or change?
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aspiration
06-11 01:19 PM
Called all 6 rep's offices plus my local north carolina 4th district rep David Price.
Everyone note down the bill numbers and said that they will pass on the message.. Mary Bono's office asked to call local rep office, which i did before..
Some of them were very nice and asked the address and name and all, whereas some of them just got the bill numbers and were eager to hang up the phone..
....Apart from contributing during the funding drive.. this is my first action to call reps...Felt great and encourage everyone else to give it a try....Try calling just one of them and you will feel the urge to call all of them and do your part...
Everyone note down the bill numbers and said that they will pass on the message.. Mary Bono's office asked to call local rep office, which i did before..
Some of them were very nice and asked the address and name and all, whereas some of them just got the bill numbers and were eager to hang up the phone..
....Apart from contributing during the funding drive.. this is my first action to call reps...Felt great and encourage everyone else to give it a try....Try calling just one of them and you will feel the urge to call all of them and do your part...
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ps57002
12-01 06:56 PM
how about being a monthly charge of some amount to be members who can post/respond. Others can read but not post. This way you will know exactly how many paid members you have and amount you can expect monthly
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JazzByTheBay
12-12 10:15 PM
Do you think the drive would have reached its original goal yesterday/early today without the January visa bulletin retrogressing us even further...?
I have my doubts about that... :)
And how far in the past would we need to retrogress to get another funding drive done...?
jazz
I dont think theres any doubt in the value iv is providing - selling it is the issue. I can be proved wrong in a month but the ongoing funding drive is kind of a ray of hope that people will be willing to give both time & money to help themselves and others.
I have my doubts about that... :)
And how far in the past would we need to retrogress to get another funding drive done...?
jazz
I dont think theres any doubt in the value iv is providing - selling it is the issue. I can be proved wrong in a month but the ongoing funding drive is kind of a ray of hope that people will be willing to give both time & money to help themselves and others.
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06-05 02:24 PM
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noone2day78
07-16 06:31 AM
Signed earlier :)
Spouse signed. Does not allow me to sign as it recognizes IP address!!
Contribution so far:
$200
Spouse signed. Does not allow me to sign as it recognizes IP address!!
Contribution so far:
$200
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franklin
07-11 12:47 PM
Fellow IVians or IVers. Whichever you prefer:
You may not be able to attend the San Jose rally but you can still be part of the effort by volunteering to help call the members in California and inform them about this event. You can call even if you are on the East Coast. This is urgent!
This will help us focus on other logistic issues like banners, posting flyers.
Your help will make the San Jose peaceful walk a success!
I can not emphasis this enough. We need out of state volunteers to help call bay area members!
You may not be able to attend the San Jose rally but you can still be part of the effort by volunteering to help call the members in California and inform them about this event. You can call even if you are on the East Coast. This is urgent!
This will help us focus on other logistic issues like banners, posting flyers.
Your help will make the San Jose peaceful walk a success!
I can not emphasis this enough. We need out of state volunteers to help call bay area members!
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p1234
10-02 04:52 PM
My personal opinion is that other than few algorithm, electrical design, compiler design kind of jobs, most jobs in Computer applications can be done by an EB3/EB2 person. It's only how your company treats a particular job opening that you get designated as EB2/EB3. I could file in EB2 and lots of top-rankers from my class could only file in EB3. Does that make them any less capable than me?? Nope!
Correct. gctest is a very narrow-minded individual just like some of the phds are.
I have read many papers published by these phd students during my MS coursework. Many of them are an absolute trash!
They propose something which has bunch of shortcomings and then list them down as future work.
Others come along, look at the future work section and propose something else with one less shortcoming
and so on...
Every researcher says his/her proposal is better and runs biased set of tests to support the claims.
99% of such research papers would be used as toilet papers in India by the homeless!
Industry doesn't even look at most of this academic trash.
Most of these phds (not all) end up as lecturers making people yawn in the class.
The real productive ones that graduate from top notch universities, the cream of the crop that achieve breakthroughs don't come to this public forum and trash people around.
They are the EB1, no wonders gctest is clubbed as EB2, is he any better than any of us?
Correct. gctest is a very narrow-minded individual just like some of the phds are.
I have read many papers published by these phd students during my MS coursework. Many of them are an absolute trash!
They propose something which has bunch of shortcomings and then list them down as future work.
Others come along, look at the future work section and propose something else with one less shortcoming
and so on...
Every researcher says his/her proposal is better and runs biased set of tests to support the claims.
99% of such research papers would be used as toilet papers in India by the homeless!
Industry doesn't even look at most of this academic trash.
Most of these phds (not all) end up as lecturers making people yawn in the class.
The real productive ones that graduate from top notch universities, the cream of the crop that achieve breakthroughs don't come to this public forum and trash people around.
They are the EB1, no wonders gctest is clubbed as EB2, is he any better than any of us?
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cal_dood
10-10 01:35 PM
In the end it comes downs to your risk profile and expected rate of return. For example Gold is supposedly safe, but is this a good time to buy ? It is at an all time high (Around $850-900 an ounce. It was around $250 an ounce in 2000). Will it go further up, most probably, but nobody can say how much. Will it come down - you bet.
My take is - all the things in the list are vehicles of diversification. In a portfolio you should have some gold, real estate, stocks, bonds etc. and you need to constantly re-balance your portfolio as per your situation.
Also, if like most people, you don't know how to time the market, dollar-cost averaging is a good option. If you want to add gold to your portfolio, don't buy all of it today. Buy it at intervals - a friend of mine had a very good way to do it. He bought a gold coin at every family occasion - Birthday, Anniversary etc.
If you are not in india, then you are somewhere to earn more than you do than in india. So investment is safe if you can afford to invest in that property without a loan. If you are taking a loan you are getting ripped off. STOP there.
to me agricultural land is next to investment in gold. agri land always holds value(sale value) or appreciates over time. Always you can get decent return by farming something there. So my belief is you always get 6%+ return on investment over short/long period of time.
city properties are just a ripp off. So get only one property if you want to live for yourself.. Investment of say 50 lacs on a flat(condo), may give you a good rent. But for how long? and what % of interest you pay on that loan? And what will the aging affect be on that flat!!...
that way land | house is better choice!
To me below are investment items first the highest safety + return(decreasing order or preference)
1. gold(other precious metals)
2. treasary bonds../govt assured accounts
2. agri land(either in india or US, in is labor is higher)
3. city independent houses
4. select mutual funds
5. stock market
6. Condos
My take is - all the things in the list are vehicles of diversification. In a portfolio you should have some gold, real estate, stocks, bonds etc. and you need to constantly re-balance your portfolio as per your situation.
Also, if like most people, you don't know how to time the market, dollar-cost averaging is a good option. If you want to add gold to your portfolio, don't buy all of it today. Buy it at intervals - a friend of mine had a very good way to do it. He bought a gold coin at every family occasion - Birthday, Anniversary etc.
If you are not in india, then you are somewhere to earn more than you do than in india. So investment is safe if you can afford to invest in that property without a loan. If you are taking a loan you are getting ripped off. STOP there.
to me agricultural land is next to investment in gold. agri land always holds value(sale value) or appreciates over time. Always you can get decent return by farming something there. So my belief is you always get 6%+ return on investment over short/long period of time.
city properties are just a ripp off. So get only one property if you want to live for yourself.. Investment of say 50 lacs on a flat(condo), may give you a good rent. But for how long? and what % of interest you pay on that loan? And what will the aging affect be on that flat!!...
that way land | house is better choice!
To me below are investment items first the highest safety + return(decreasing order or preference)
1. gold(other precious metals)
2. treasary bonds../govt assured accounts
2. agri land(either in india or US, in is labor is higher)
3. city independent houses
4. select mutual funds
5. stock market
6. Condos
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mirage
10-06 07:42 PM
What you are seeing right now in US, you'll see that in India begining next year. Indian Property market is ripe for a crash. I wouldn't invest a penny until the dust settles...
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06-19 10:21 AM
As per my research and talking to customer service of few american and india insurance companies, You are partly right that no one covers pre-existing conditions.
But indian companies like Icici lombard, Bajaj allianz, tata aig etc cover emergency life saving treatment even if it was due to the pre-existing conditions. Which means if one is diabetic, reguler sugar check and doc vists will not be covered but if say patients develops a critical condition (e.g kideny failure etc) then the treatment is covered.
But american companies do not cover even the emergency treatment.
Hope this helps
I have talked to IMG sales rep, he said they won't cover for pre existing conditions. He also said that as far as his knowledge is concerned there is no company out there that covers pre existing conditions when I asked him about it.
My final assumption is that any insurance we buy anywhere, just covers illnesses that are developed after the coverage starts.
Any corrections??
But indian companies like Icici lombard, Bajaj allianz, tata aig etc cover emergency life saving treatment even if it was due to the pre-existing conditions. Which means if one is diabetic, reguler sugar check and doc vists will not be covered but if say patients develops a critical condition (e.g kideny failure etc) then the treatment is covered.
But american companies do not cover even the emergency treatment.
Hope this helps
I have talked to IMG sales rep, he said they won't cover for pre existing conditions. He also said that as far as his knowledge is concerned there is no company out there that covers pre existing conditions when I asked him about it.
My final assumption is that any insurance we buy anywhere, just covers illnesses that are developed after the coverage starts.
Any corrections??
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felix31
02-06 12:48 AM
Topics like these are distractions, please let us not bother IV core with these petty issues. Need of the hour is -- volunteer time or money. I am trying to do the latter with some success.
Did not mean to cause any distraction, but clear a misconception / misunderstanding that H1B is not for teachers.
cheers!
Did not mean to cause any distraction, but clear a misconception / misunderstanding that H1B is not for teachers.
cheers!
msyedy
02-14 11:12 AM
Anand's post
Ok, if advertising is too far-fetched, then hold some cultural events and make money on those. Brainstorm with members to find other ways to make money. People are not going to contribute. That is the writing on the wall. There is lack of trust and lack of faith in IV. IV will have to figure out ways to generate cash from other things than member contributions. If I remember correctly, people contributed nearly $200K and have got nothing to show for that.
Attack my ideas and not me. Then we can have a debate conducive to achieving our goals.
Good man, true... people who have contributed and have not seen any results. I was searching for Logiclifes post where he mentioned
"It is time that IV shows some results", I will search and put it on my another post.
Anai mentions about Gandhi giri. He/she claims fighting for GC is the same as Independence.
"Waik up". You can't go on the streets and say this is our right (get GC) and fight for it. India was and is our country that is why we did it.
People will curse me now, would say why I am still hear if I am against.
I am against the policy, the strategy being used. IV said asking for 90000 unused visa numbers will add more controversy and It will be difficult to pass in the approp bill.
Lot of members did not agree, we went for I-485 because IV mentioned
this is the only thing that can be pushed easily.
Now when they see a chance to push for Schedule A worker visa increase, we start pushhing for visa numbers.(1-485 gone now)
Think for a while that there might be so many organizations supporting illegal immigrants that has plenty of money and are unable to pass anything.
They protested on the streets..president pushed for a reform and what happened. Most lawmakers do not have any Idea about legal issues,
so these law makers can and will only attach our reforms to the comprehensive bill.
Why can't people think in a broader prespective.
So why we bother now and say we are pushing for this ... that ... and when we could not get any results we hear from IV that the text of the bill is decided way in advanced.
Anand's post -- True
These suggestions are because you think money is the issue. I don't think it is. It's the lack of good leadership.
When leaders change their stand often then it is a problem
Ok, if advertising is too far-fetched, then hold some cultural events and make money on those. Brainstorm with members to find other ways to make money. People are not going to contribute. That is the writing on the wall. There is lack of trust and lack of faith in IV. IV will have to figure out ways to generate cash from other things than member contributions. If I remember correctly, people contributed nearly $200K and have got nothing to show for that.
Attack my ideas and not me. Then we can have a debate conducive to achieving our goals.
Good man, true... people who have contributed and have not seen any results. I was searching for Logiclifes post where he mentioned
"It is time that IV shows some results", I will search and put it on my another post.
Anai mentions about Gandhi giri. He/she claims fighting for GC is the same as Independence.
"Waik up". You can't go on the streets and say this is our right (get GC) and fight for it. India was and is our country that is why we did it.
People will curse me now, would say why I am still hear if I am against.
I am against the policy, the strategy being used. IV said asking for 90000 unused visa numbers will add more controversy and It will be difficult to pass in the approp bill.
Lot of members did not agree, we went for I-485 because IV mentioned
this is the only thing that can be pushed easily.
Now when they see a chance to push for Schedule A worker visa increase, we start pushhing for visa numbers.(1-485 gone now)
Think for a while that there might be so many organizations supporting illegal immigrants that has plenty of money and are unable to pass anything.
They protested on the streets..president pushed for a reform and what happened. Most lawmakers do not have any Idea about legal issues,
so these law makers can and will only attach our reforms to the comprehensive bill.
Why can't people think in a broader prespective.
So why we bother now and say we are pushing for this ... that ... and when we could not get any results we hear from IV that the text of the bill is decided way in advanced.
Anand's post -- True
These suggestions are because you think money is the issue. I don't think it is. It's the lack of good leadership.
When leaders change their stand often then it is a problem
DDash
07-19 03:29 PM
What IV has done is commendable and unprecedented. I also think that most of us here do not know anything about the expenses incurred by IV team or money collected by IV team. It would be a good idea to be transparent in that aspect so that members can have a better understanding of the functioning of the organization and contribute appropriately. Just a suggestion; what do you guys think?
Definitely not a good idea to transperent for an org like IV. Dont forget that internet is open to any body in the whole wide world. Not fair to assume that only supports come here....people who oppose us come here to build strong cases against us and we dont want to fuel their efforts by opening things too much.
Have faith in IV, this is a 100% non-profit org, with no paid employees.
Definitely not a good idea to transperent for an org like IV. Dont forget that internet is open to any body in the whole wide world. Not fair to assume that only supports come here....people who oppose us come here to build strong cases against us and we dont want to fuel their efforts by opening things too much.
Have faith in IV, this is a 100% non-profit org, with no paid employees.
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